In fact, it was an earlier woman who actually, in my mind, solved the mystery. Ludwig van Beethoven remained celibate for all of his life. In Beethoven’s unsent love letter to his ‘Immortal Beloved’ he wrote: My angel, my all, my own self — only a few words today, and those in pencil (with yours)… Can our … I mean her comment was that she overheard Beethoven's… well her father had asked Beethoven had he never met a woman that he would want to marry. As a last testament this document may have been faulty, but as a biographical puzzle it was a masterstroke, inspiring two centuries of fevered speculations, of which this … But, I decided to look at the problem again from a new angle and to look at that word kennen and thought, okay, if you view it in the biblical sense of to know a woman, sleep with her. And you found something curious about this ‘St’, STEBLIN: His 'St' looks very much like an 'A' and Gräffer, who was the copyist, if he just saw this one initial cipher? And this was La Mara. You presented some interesting similarities between letters known to be written by Beethoven to Josephine and the 'Immortal Beloved' letter. This letter is one of the most famous documents in the legacy of the great German composer Ludwig van Beethoven (1770–1827). There, it was. And so when the letter to the Immortal Beloved, dated July 6th only mentions the trip between Prague and Teplitz where Beethoven was writing this letter. . The Immortal Beloved can be at ease, her secret is well kept... Generally speaking, I widely agree with Dom’s opinions on the my Immortal Beloved matter. Here is a question that has used up a lot of ink. And Beethoven had said ‘Yes, five years ago. Learn more about the era of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven from my videos and podcast interviews with other Vienna-based performers and experts. Because she was still fertile, and all of her other earlier six children were conceived immediately after she'd slept with her first husband and then her second husband. MALTZ: And this would explain how in the fall, Beethoven returning to Vienna, sees a happily-married Josephine with Stackelberg and writes, “Auf diese Art mit 'St' geht alles zu Grunde.”, STEBLIN: That's right. In any case, if one day this great mystery were to be solved by an indisputable proof, would we find our appreciation of the works of Beethoven and of the man, himself changed? MALTZ: So, as we mentioned, Josephine Brunsvik as the Immortal Beloved. And our culture would only make some sordid media soap opera out of a most sad and beautiful love story. And then they said, pietätlos, there's no piety because you'd have to exhume Beethoven as well to make a study. He just copied it as an 'A' but I think it really was 'St'. Besides clearly stating that there was not a happy ending to this affair, many researchers also said that if the Immortal Beloved were Josephine, that the diary entry would have to read, “In this manner with J, everything goes to ruin.” In fact, there's been a lot of confusion surrounding this initial A. STEBLIN: Beethoven wrote this entry in a diary that he started in the fall of 1812. The echoes of this love are listened along the years, in so much of his musical works. And so what did she have to do but try to fix her marriage and, I think from the memoirs of her son, Fritz, you see what efforts she went to to be the loving wife. The first is easy: "... my life in W. is now a miserable life...". Beethoven) biographers are worried about this because practically none of the supposed women was ever addressed in this manner by Beethoven. MALTZ: Which of course, very similar to the 'Immortal Beloved' letter in the way that Beethoven says you're hiding yourself. He HAD loved her before, so he might have loved her still in 1812. And so I think what happened is that instead of going on to Karlsbad – as she had originally planned – and that's why in Beethoven's letter you have that statement, ‘We will probably see each other in K.’ But no, I think that she then sent him a letter saying, ‘Oh, I have to change my plans. It is possible that the relation between them was ultimately impossible for the restrictions that the time put on such situations, and then the relation had receded to a spiritual level. Who is this Immortal Beloved? It is as if by knowing what kind of woman loved him and was loved by him, some part of the mystery of his enormous spirit would be finally revealed to us. What do we know about Josephine and why would Beethoven have been so enraptured by her? It is, in Beethoven’s own words, to his “immortal beloved”. In 1909, W. A. Thomas San Galli was the first to date the letter 1812. In Beethoven's estate there is a letter that allows science and art to be speculated. In these letters, Beethoven uses the informal, familiar 'you' to address his (Immortal Beloved. Art is something related to the soul, to the Sacred, to the Divine. The Immortal Beloved (German "Unsterbliche Geliebte") is the addressee of a love letter which composer Ludwig van Beethoven wrote on 6–7 July 1812 in Teplitz. And that convinced me that she had the right woman. So! And I discovered that Josephine got pregnant and her fifth child was illegitimate, Maria Laura. And what I've been doing recently is watching all these YouTube stories. When Schindler first met Beethoven, the composer explained the meaning behind a new sonata, and many years later, it turned out to be reflective of events mentioned in the “immortal beloved” letter. And, of course, what would happen to the bones? And I also found another letter from Therese to Josephine. Upon his death, a love letter was found among his possessions. However, a visit to Teplitz was thought to have been made in 1812, notably because his name is inscribed on the list of hydrotherapy patients on July 7th, the time of his finding a house and his meeting with Goethe being largely accounted for and proven. In it, he writes of his unconditional love and devotion to someone he refers to as his Unsterbliche Geliebte, or Immortal Beloved.He never sent this letter. for (i = 0; i < document.links.length;i++) { Researchers have been divided as to whom was the intended recipient. I mean, you have this case where she did not allow him into her house and hid herself from him. Beethoven did not indicate who the intended recipient is, but the most likely candidates are Countess Giulietta Guicciardi, Josephine von Brunsvik, Antonie Brentano, and Josephine’s sister, Countess Therese Brunsvik. But, through dedication, Dr. Steblin finally solved this mystery. function init() { Whether seducing regal followers or criticizing the ruling class, Beethoven made many enemies. Get all my new content in one monthly email newsletter. So Josephine was left alone and there were great financial problems. And these DNA studies… well, if 50% of Minona's bones come from Estonia, well then Stackelberg is the father, but if 50% come from Bonn, well then that would prove it. A clue that would allow them to finally grasp the magnitude of the greatness of the man that had created such music and that had lived so intensely. The possible years are therefore: 1795, 1801, 1807, 1812 or 1818. It is completely coated in dark chocolate and is decorated with gold leaf. Anyway, what is real beyond any doubt is that the composer really loved a particular woman very much, and that he loved her for a long time. STEBLIN: Josephine came to Vienna in May of 1799 with her mother and her older sister Therese, to have piano lessons with Beethoven. And there's some other passages in his diary where around the birth of Minona where he says, ‘Oh, I will have to leave Vienna.’. The life and death of the legendary Ludwig van Beethoven. Let God return peace to your soul and so that you can return to your children and your family. And, what I'm doing right now is to search further in the papers of the Brunsvik family for letters that Minona, herself, wrote or comments about her. Immortal Beloved refers to a 10-page unsent love letter found in Beethoven’s estate following his death in 1827. MALTZ: What motivated your search for Beethoven's Immortal Beloved? Beethoven is played by Gary Oldman, one of the finest actors around. And then other people told me it's not possible to determine fatherhood from such old bones but, Malte Böcker, the business head at the Beethoven House in Bonn, wrote me just recently an email saying, ‘I'd like to let you know that I have secured Minona's gravesite and nothing will happen to her bones.’. Written in the summer of 1812 from the spa town of Teplice, the letter has generated a great deal of speculation and … Don't let him into your house. And, she found on Beethoven's desk something that said, ‘my heart overflows at the sight of beautiful nature, although without her,’ in other words, he must have been walking in nature, in Baden, with his Beloved earlier. Dr. Steblin, I would like to thank you personally for your research. He was not having a spa treatment in this city of water. Well, we know that Beethoven knew Josephine since 1799 so five years before would disqualify her. MALTZ: We're skipping forward now, there was another cryptic comment that has stumped Beethoven researchers for years. I mean, I can't afford to pay to have her bones, her remains exhumed. I'm your host Daniel Adam Maltz. Good night — as I am taking the waters, I must go to bed. Because, there are letters where she instructed the setup of their bedrooms when she was going to go to that estate in Moravia that they'd bought and she even wanted a maid sleeping between the two bedrooms. Just now I perceive that letters must be posted first thing early. Beethoven is buried there as well, of course. MALTZ: Let's get to the evidence you discovered. Where do I come from? Its content is sugar sweet, the recipient unknown: "Love demands everything. Your faithfulLudwig Monday evening, 6 JulyYou suffer, you, my dearest creature. Your love made me the happiest and unhappiest at the same time. . Beethoven very rarely used 'du' and to use 'du' with a woman…. Before, he did not live in Vienna, and he states the fact that he lives there in his letter. So that's where you get Antonie Brentano or Almérie Esterházy or Amalie Sebald, and so on. so far! The apparently unsent letter was found in the composer's estate following his death, after which it remained in the hands of Anton Schindler until his death, was subsequently willed to his sister, and was sold by her in 1880 to the Berlin State Library, where it remai… I mean she… I know that in 1811, a year before the Immortal Beloved letter, she, was not sleeping with her husband anymore. Oh God — so near! Soon after Beethoven’s death in 1827, a letter was found in a secret drawer in his Vienna apartment. I mean, DNA studies are improving. And so that's where it remained. Oh, go on loving me — never doubt the faithfullest heart Of your belovedL Ever thine.Ever mine.Ever ours. MALTZ: And so your theory or… you're saying that Fanny Giannatasio del Rio is simply substituting the other German verb, kennenlernen, which is just to get to know. Canst thou change it, that thou are not entirely mine, I not entirely thine? I can only live, either altogether with you or not at all. And there's this snippet from the conversation book. Which is to say, that our personage does not us allow to imagine THAT role for him. Now, we have proof that Josephine was in Baden for weeks. The letters were discovered after Beethoven's death and ever since their discovery, there has been speculation regarding whom that Immortal Beloved might have been. Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist, who is arguably the defining figure in the history of Western music. I weep when I think you will probably only receive on Saturday the first news from me — as you too love — yet I love you stronger — but never hide yourself from me. You presented evidence that places Josephine in Baden around this time as well? His ideas and hypothesis are most perceptive and sensitive. And we know that Beethoven met unexpectedly someone in Prague because in a letter later to Varnhagen von Ense, he apologizes for not having kept an appointment that he had made on the evening of July the 3rd. Ludwig von Beethoven – July 6, 1806 Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827), one of history’s most famous and mysterious composers died at the age of 57 with one great secret. Letter with the subject – Immortal Beloved. So Josephine was very charming, very beautiful. And, because there's a mystery behind it, people wanted to solve the mystery and each generation has had a go at it. We shall probably soon meet, even today I cannot communicate my remarks to you, which during these days I made about my life — were our hearts close together, I should probably not make any such remarks. Therese explains all of this in her memoirs in great detail and how Beethoven was so taken with the musicality and, I guess, with the beauty of Josephine that instead of just one hour a day, he would teach them for four hours a day. Therefore, a total of 10 pages make up the Immortal Beloved letter. Long after his death he was exhumed twice, his bones and skull were measured and weighed again, and then photographed when it was finally possible… It is as if those men cherished the hope to find some kind of clue. But knowing Fritz had said end of April that they'd already gotten to Baden, there I found – in an earlier list – Josephine. And she also showed the most genius among the children. And I think this name, Minona, as the daughter of a musician is of significance. This date is the one most widely accepted today. Born in December 1770, he was baptized on the 17th. After the death of the composer (Gary Oldman), director Bernard Rose lets admirer and secretary Anton Schindler (Jeroen Krabbé) look for the anonymous lover. It is quite astonishing to see how much thought and speculation the Immortal Beloved letter has provoked. Beethoven still has them waiting and hoping in vain to be able to open his secrets. And so she had a wagon with horses. With this in mind, the questions of certain researchers leave me wondering: - Did he know one or many women, or did he not know any? And Josephine wanted to go again to Karlsbad. For the best experience, please watch the video at the top of the page. Is it not a real building of heaven, our Love — but as firm, too, as the citadel of heaven. Then, 20 years later, he redated it 1803. I'm going back to Vienna.’ And so that's why he never sent the letter. If I had to give my own opinion regarding the identity of the woman, I would then say that I think that Josephine is the most likely candidate especially because the relation between the two of them had the required tone. Without you — pursued by the kindness of the people here and there, whom I mean — to desire to earn just as little as they earn — humility of man towards men — it pains me — and when I regard myself in connection with the Universe, what I am, and what he is — whom one calls the greatest — and yet — there lies herein again the godlike of man. And so you have these letters that turned up, and the language is very close to what Beethoven used in the letter to the Immortal Beloved – calls her, my angel, my all. Well, here you have 1818. He says, and don't hide yourself from me. I mean, maybe he thought there'd be this scandal about the paternity or he wanted to undertake a Große Handlung or something. Well, the emperor was in Prague on July 1st and so I think that she wanted to try to solve these financial problems by speaking with the emperor and speaking with relatives of her husband. Third Question: Of which towns does he speak of in the my Immortal Beloved letters? What are your thoughts about a DNA test? Which woman is entitled to this title? MALTZ: So up to this point, we've discussed Beethoven longing after Josephine for years, a surprise encounter where they spent the night together in Prague and the Immortal Beloved letter that Beethoven never sent, where he pleaded for Josephine to find a way for them to be together. And, Therese, in her memoirs talks about Minona as being different from the other children, being very stark, strong in her personality so much that we called her ‘the governess.’. Then there comes an entry in Beethoven's diary that ends “Auf diese Art mit 'A' geht alles zu Grunde.” This means in this manner with (the initial A) everything goes to ruin. Experts have a collection of letters written by Beethoven, that was undelivered having the subject – “To The Immortal Beloved”. Their love letters have a lot in common with the famous letter, and she was a very beautiful, cultured, musical young woman. By the way, the relationship of our composer with God was always very close, as we can read and listen in so many places…. What longing in tears for you — You — my Life — my All — farewell. She even applied for a pass to go to Italy with him and the children and so on. Beethoven after his death left a letter addressed to his "immortal beloved," with no hint as to who that person was. I just recently discovered another letter by Therese to Josephine with the proof that they were hiding Maria Laura for about three years. I think that it is all intimately related with the cultural obsession, about discovering the secret of his genius. And, in fact, you give evidence that Josephine gave birth to Beethoven's child. And a lot of scholars in the 20th century claimed that this letter 'A' referred to the Immortal Beloved. Angel, I just hear that the post goes out every day — and must close therefore, so that you get the L. at once. Therefore, he met Goethe some days later. Yes, I have determined to wander about for so long far away, until I can fly into your arms and call myself quite at home with you, can send my soul enveloped by yours into the realm of spirits — yes, I regret, it must be. Immortal is described by the author as “a novel inspired by real events”. And all the people, all these scholars in the States and in England and Germany who claim that Josephine cannot be the Immortal Beloved. And so she was in a sense forced to marry this baron. At my actual age I should need some continuity, sameness of life — can that exist under our circumstances? And this money was now due, and Stackelberg had left Josephine. My bosom is full, to tell you much — there are moments when I find that speech is nothing at all. The men just fell for her. And he later said that as soon as he saw Josephine he said she is going to be my wife. It's believed that Beethoven had a surprise encounter with his Immortal Beloved in Prague on July 3rd, 1812, just three days before the 'Immortal Beloved' letter is written. So, he was with them for this whole time, but Josephine's mother was looking for a husband for her daughters and the older one, Therese, well, she sort of had a bit of a crooked back and wasn't that attractive. Today we will solve the mystery behind one of classical music history's most famous love stories: the identity of Beethoven's Immortal Beloved. Once the date has been decided, the place follows naturally: Beethoven went for hydrotherapy at Teplitz (Teplice - about 80 km North-West of Prague). Other theories were made, giving diverse answers between 1801 et 1807. And these are love letters from Beethoven to Josephine that he wrote between about 1804 and 1809 – this was the period after Deym had died. The letter’s unnamed recipient — Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” — remains a mystery, and continues to generate debate. Beethoven's love letters to his immortal beloved, 1812 L udwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist. MALTZ: And so you, in doing your research into this theory, found examples in Beethoven's hand where he writes both an 'A' and an 'St' – in Beethoven's hand – so that we have definitive proof. Woven into the story is Jessica Duchen’s favoured theory (supported by many other scholars) as to the identity of the woman addressed as ‘Immortal Beloved’ in Beethoven’s letter. He would loathe such a treasonous act. And he said, ‘Don't worry, your children are my children.’. So, in other words, he must have met this woman in Prague on the 3rd, because that's when he didn't keep his appointment. And I had found a letter from Charlotte, the youngest sister who had just gotten married and – this is in 1807 – where she's warning Josephine don't be alone with Beethoven. Melodious Heart 15,993 views. In the end, he does not commit suicide (just as well for the sake of music), but he keeps this call of distress for 25 years, until his death, with the letter for his Immortal Beloved…. DR. RITA STEBLIN: It's a pleasure to be here. STEBLIN: Well, I mean, what a scandal. Oh, God, look into beautiful Nature and compose your mind to the inevitable. STEBLIN: Yes. Who was Beethoven’s Immortal Beloved, the unknown woman mentioned in a passionate letter discovered after Beethoven’s death? Who, among the scores of women that Beethoven seduced, was his Immortal Beloved? I should go back and explain that. You have the same sort of wording in these earlier love letters and the letter to the Immortal Beloved where he says, ‘you know I have been faithful to you that no other woman can...’, MALTZ: To clarify for those who don't speak German, please explain the significance of Beethoven referring to Josephine as 'du' instead of the formal 'Sie. Beethoven is the reason why I fell in love with music. She was in her eighties in 1920 when she brought out the book. So, in 1808, Josephine, Therese, and the two little boys, Fritz and Karl went on a long journey and ended up in Switzerland. It is an old obsession, and it dates from his times already. The earliest… document.links[i].href += "?js=yes"; . For example, his brain was obsessively measured, weighed and described (with most interesting results we might add). Schindler brought out the first official biography of Beethoven in 1840 and, there, he claimed that the letter mentioned Julie Guicciardi. STEBLIN: After the second world war, the communists came into the Czech Republic and descendants of Josephine – of her son Fritz – fled and they took with them 14 letters that they had in Beethoven's hand. MALTZ: This is where the story gets particularly interesting to me and I think to anybody who has an interest in this subject is that there is more to this encounter on July 3rd in Prague in 1812, that Beethoven had with Josephine. Whom did Beethoven love so passionately? if (document.links[i].href.indexOf("/recommended/") != -1) { To view past editions, visit the Newsletter page. The proposed possibilities as to the identity of this mystery woman are numerous, indeed too numerous for one man! In 1795, 1801 and 1807, biographers know the whereabouts and activities of the composer. In this, I am again in agreement with my French friend: in a way, I am extremely glad that with all the research invested in the Immortal Beloved riddle, our culture academia failed miserably in revealing this particular mystery. All of this is cut, appropriately, in the shape of a heart. It's actually the first entry. Was it never sent? Beethoven has not finished astounding us, surprising us and enchanting us! Everything in Immortal Beloved revolves around the mysterious letter 'An die unsterbliche Geliebte', which was found after Beethoven's death in 1827. Beethoven’s missives to this “immortal beloved,” which include the only known love letter of his to use the informal German du for “you” rather than the formal Sie, were found among his personal effects; they were never mailed — a beautiful and tragic testament to the fact that their affair, like all affairs, was both bedeviled and vitalized by the awareness that the two lovers could never fully … It is certain that nothing will stop the researchers and scholars of this question. Why has the Beethoven Immortal Beloved letter captured imaginations? They also went on picnics, and outings, and to fortepiano workshops and Beethoven recommended a Walter piano and so on. So, I contacted the health agency, the Gesundheitsamt – they're responsible for grave sites and found out what I could. So this was late 1819 and, exactly at that point in Beethoven's conversation books, someone is asking him and writing out, ‘You talk so much about the woman that her husband is going to suspect that the child among his children that has musical talent is your child.’ I mean this is great proof. - Could a child have been born from this union - could there not be, somewhere, the descendants of the great Beethoven who are ignorant of their origins? So it is with you, you with me." STEBLIN: What you get in these 14 love letters and there are drafts of her replies… you see that towards the end, around 1807 Josephine didn't allow Beethoven into her house anymore. } And so there were deep psychological reasons for him doing that. Beethoven proves that art offers something beyond the physical or the material world. MALTZ: You mentioned in one of your articles that Minona is buried in Vienna's Central Cemetery. This Immortal Beloved letter by Beethoven is dated Monday July 6th. Beethoven once threw marriage proposal on Therese Malfatti, which got rejected. . On one of their outings, they went to the wax museum of Count Deym, Joseph Deym. However, others have different ideas, such as the town of Klosterneuburg, a small town about 10 kilometers north of Vienna. MALTZ: You mentioned Deym had died in 1804. He never sent this letter. ', STEBLIN: Yeah, it's like the French 'tu'. After Beethoven's death in 1827, a three-part letter was found among his private papers addressed to a woman whom he called "immortal beloved". It is equally curious to see how the theorists are split into two clearly visible groups in their proposition of my Immortal Beloved: the English and the Americans, more in favor of Antonie Brentano, and the Germans, French and other Europeans, more in favor of Joséphine von Brunsvik. IMMORTAL BELOVED Beethoven’s Love Letters On This Page The Immortal Beloved Letters The Early Candidates for the Immortal Beloved The Later Candidates Recent Theories Letters to Unknown Women Once upon a time in old Vienna, the great composer Ludwig von Beethoven passed away quietly at his home. MALTZ: Right. How?! He is referring to Vienna (in German, the initial is a 'W' for 'Wien') and no one has found a reason to dispute this. Our guest, musicologist Dr. Rita Steblin, finally identifies the correct woman. The possible years are therefore: 1795, 1801, 1807, 1812 or 1818. If someone has only read his diaries, his letters, his moral writings… He would consider such an act, a terrible dishonorable behavior. Therefore, the question is: is this form of speech, as it is used today, being used the same way in which it was two hundred years ago? And the names that Josephine gave to her children all have symbolic meaning. It is like looking once again in the wrong place. } Written by Smoothhoney1265 Plot Summary | Plot Synopsis 8:19. Why? This treat has a thin base of chocolate sponge cake and a chocolate mousse filling. The identity of Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” (more accurately translated as “Eternally Beloved”) has confounded historians for two centuries and even inspired a movie. And why did he keep it? They want to feel like they're a part of it. But, she was already in her eighties and died soon after. Though still in bed, my thoughts go out to you, my Immortal Beloved, now and then joyfully, then sadly, waiting to learn whether or not fate will hear us - I can live only wholly with you or not at all - Yes, I am resolved to wander so long away from you until I can fly to your arms and say that I am really at home with you, and can send my soul enwrapped in you into the land of spirits - Yes, unhappily it must be … So all of a sudden, after this night with Beethoven, she probably suspects, uh-oh what do I do if I am pregnant? And so it's exactly at that point that he lays claim to his nephew, even though Karl's father was still alive and wouldn't die for another few years. The mystery during the years has been who the “Immortal beloved” is. But because Beethoven couldn't lay claim to his own child, he then took over this nephew. All, as the town of Klosterneuburg, a musicologist whose archival work combines music history,,. 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